@ Profit613

"Repent" means to turn away from. It is not at all possible that the natural Gentiles can do this since they weren't given the laws, statutes, or commandments in the first place. DEUT4:7-8
This is a crucial issue and one that Israelites in the truth must and will get right. The focus of prayer and of preaching depends largely upon it; as well as our attitude towards our nation, Israel, and towards the heathen. Your statement that "Messiah will iron everything out at His return" does not apply to this doctrine. You're either IN the truth with this one or out of the ring.

Yeah Ahchi,

The word Hellen (gentile) has a few different meanings. This is why many people struggle with that word.

And yes it's true. You probably won't find many Israelites who agree 100% on everything but we do know that we are Israel & we must keep the Laws of The Most High through Messiah.

We'll just keep studying and walk that walk. Messiah will iron everything out at His return.

YHWH barak wa shalom,

I agree with those statements that you posted.

Our message to the natural gentiles is this:

1. Repent for they will be jugded according to the Laws of YHWH (many of them will have to 1st be punished worse than we were)

2. They are going to have to obey the Laws of the kingdom & worship the Most High (those who are allowed to remain alive.)

3. We (Israel) will be ruling in that kingdom cuz their kingdom is a sinful kingdom that will be destroyed.

HalleluYAH

Shalom

You're going in circles by quoting the definition of gentile. I've already told you that you need to know when to apply it to Israel cuz it doesn't always apply. It mostly is applied to natural gentiles. I've even proved this by the context of specific passages in scripture:

Here's the thayers definition for gentile in greek:

Hellēn
Thayer Definition:
1) a Greek either by nationality, WHTHER A NATIVE of the main land or of the Greek islands or colonies

2) IN A WIDER SENSE THE NAME EMBRACES ALL NTIONS NOT JEWS THAT MADE THE LANGUAGE, CUSTOMS, AND LEARNING OF THE GREEKS THEIR OWN: the primary reference is to a difference of religion and worship
Part of Speech: noun masculine

Let me remind you again:

Act 17:30 And the times of this ignorance YHWH winked at; but now commandeth ALL MEN EVERY WHERE to repent:

This is the ignorance of the other nations (he never winked at our disobedience)

v. 31 BECAUSE he hath appointed a day, in the which HE WILL JUDGE THE WORLD IN RIGHTEOUSNESS by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

The whole world will be judged according to the Law. But it begins with us.

1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of YHWH and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel

This has been explained in a very simple way. Do you see it now?

(Psalm 147:19,20 "he has not dealt so with any other nation"

So to the Jew first & also the gentile can't be speaking of Israelites in a gentile state of mind.)

You're having a mind block where this is concerned. (It's not your fault. Your teachers haven't taught you the whole plan of YHWH)

He has ONLY CHOSEN ISRAEL to be his priest to minister to the nations. Therefore he had to teach us his Laws.

The plan is for Israel to then teach/rule the nations according to the Laws of YHWH.


Rev 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

Rev 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

Don't you get it?

I fully agree with Rev.2:26-27

This is why Shaul warned the natural gentiles in Acts 17 because they will be judged for their lawlessness and can only remain alive in the kingdom by keeping the Commandments which will be inforced on all nations.

We must tell All men to repent. What do you think we'll be doing in the kingdom?

We already know that we are Israel & we'll be ruling (if we make it). We also have to tell them repent or die.

Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law ...these are natural gentiles not Israelites.

and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law,... The Law was given only to Israel remember?

Psalm 147:19,20 "he has not dealt so with any other nation"

So to the Jew first & also the gentile can't be speaking of Israelites in a gentile state of mind.

Was James the apostle to the gentiles?...No. Then why was he writting to the "12 tribes scattered abroad" (Israelites in a Gentile state of mind right)

I agree that in certain passages Israelites are being referred to but we can't just pick & choose in order to back up UPK/GMS doctrine.

RE: "poets" the definition "one who fulfils the whole law" doesn't fit into the context of Acts 17:28.

I have a hard copy of Thayers' Greek Lexicon & the referrences that are given for "one who fulfils the whole Law" are:

Rom 2:13 & Jas 4:11 where word #4163 is translated "doers"

The referrence for Acts 17:28 simply gives us the definition "poets" which fits.

I have the exact quotes from the poets Aratus & Cleanthus and it's almost verbatim with what Shaul Quoted.

"With Jove we must begin; nor from him rove;
Him always praise, for all is full of Jove!
He fills all places where mankind resort,
The wide-spread sea, with every sheltring port.
Joves presence fills all space, upholds this ball;
All need his aid; his power sustains us all.
For we his offspring are; and he in love
Points out to man his labor from above:
Where signs unerring show when best the soil,
By well-timed culture, shall repay our toil, etc., etc."

"Hebrews 8:10 -12. And How can we be a nation of priests now, when not even all Israelite men have come into this truth/knowledge of God's will? Eventually, Israel is going to teach all nations in the kingdom."

We are in agreement here. This is why we have to go to the lost sheep so we can build up the nation.

In the meantime Shaul says this:

Act 17:30 And the times of this ignorance YHWH winked at but now commandeth all men every where to repent
V.31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

So while we are gathering the lost sheep you must command ALL men to repent (stop sining) instead of telling them to keep sining like some of our brothers do.