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Atheism has gifted me with an unadulterated appreciation of the value of not only my life, but also lives of others.

Chronology is to Time as Religion is to God:
If you ask someone what time is, they will look at their watch confident that they know what time is.

In reality, our species does not fully understand time yet. So, we invented a concept called Chronology.

But Chronology is not time. Time is a much more complex concept.

We have done the similar thing with religion. Many people know, and some are even experts in religion. No one now, or that ever lived, can state to my satisfaction that they understand God, and can speak with any authority on the subject.

Why would God use a "book", and for that matter, "a very specific book" in a specific language, to relate rules and to set forth behavioral norms?

I can understand why Humans would use a book; After all, we are only humans.

I can understand why an ethnic group would arrogantly claim that their language is the chosen language of their deity. Ever see the painting of Jesus with blue eyes and red hair in an Irish Catholic church? There is a similar mental process going with both.

Language, especially a 7th century one, is itself a flawed method of communication. As we evolve, new concepts, and discoveries make older languages less contextual so the language naturally adapts.

But, when a language evolves, what was once a relative point, or concept in written text can become obsolete. This happens with reference materials used in science constantly, why does this not apply to religious references?

Books have a major flaw, in that a book does not have to be based on reality. In fact, most books are not based on reality.
"The Wizard of OZ" was a great book that illustrated the struggle between good and evil from the perspective of an adolescent child. But, there is no Wizard, or a place called OZ.

I do not know of any books other than religious books; where people make claims to the books divinity and perfection, where at the same time accuse each other of gross misinterpretations.

Some people can read a book, and it is a crystal clear directive to strap on an explosive and kill themselves along with as many strangers as possible. All this while another person, from the same culture, speaking the same language, can read identical passages, and interpret the same text, and decide that it is an spiritual guide and aid to quit smoking.

You cannot make claims of divinity and at the same time have such gross susceptibility for misinterpretation. I would argue that this paradox disqualifies religious materials as being from a divine source.

Qualifying Deities, and Prophets:
I place a high threshold before I will accept someone, or something as a Prophet, or a deity.

Mohammed was a slave owner. Additionally, he profited from the transportation, and sale of human beings. Normalized to 7th century, slavery was common. However, as our species evolved and socially matured, the concept of slavery became immoral.

Try telling a Muslim that their so-called Last Prophet Muhammad profited from the Trans-Saharan trade route, of which he was very much involved with. Human beings were part of that cargo.

Their little sphincters get so tight that they could crush coal into a diamond.

I think that any rational person would conclude that this disqualifies this man as a Prophet due to inability to conceive that someday slavery would be considered immoral. Remember, what they have been told is not only is Muhammad a Prophet, but the last Prophet. This is grossly inconsistent that a so-called last Prophet (Prophet for All Time) would be lacking a most basic and fundamental understanding of human rights.

I cannot imagine anything that "disqualifies" someone as a prophet, as to have been so integrally involved in the institution of slavery. This is absurd; at best I would say that we need a new fresh prophet. I elect George Carlin, can we take a vote?
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SilverBalthazar (9 minutes ago)
"I have a question. Where in the qu'ran that is states that Mohammed was the last Prophet?

And if so, do there know how old he was when told people that?"

Uh, are you okay? You sound kinda... different.
pompeyboi (19 hours ago)
Hello mate. Thanks for our channel comment. For sure, I am not from Brighton, I live there , but am from Portsmouth originally.
SilverBalthazar (20 hours ago)
As a closing, let me apologize if any of my words offended you in some may. It was not my intention. Let me share with you a 'quote' from our Prophet that I hold firm.

"Had you been harsh on the people, they would not have listened to you." Arrogance is a satanic trait. May Allah forgive me and save me from that.

Peace be with you...
SilverBalthazar (20 hours ago)
So you see, I've no doubt in my mind that the Prophet Muhammad did at some point have slaves and servants. But you'd be mistaken in thinking that the slavery practiced by our Prophet is the same as practiced in western European countries. Before the Prophet's life came to an end, he had liberated thousands upon thousands of slaves in Arabia.

Let no person claim that mankind has nothing now to learn from Islamic values about how to deal with the problem of slavery. On the contrary, we have everything to learn. How urgent, then, is our need to pray for guidance of God lest we persist in error, for His forbearance lest we persist in arrogance, for His help in finding a sure way to end the domination of those who do not know compassion except as a fine-sounding word.
SilverBalthazar (21 hours ago)
Let us recall a name famous even among Western Europeans, that of Harun al-Rashid, and let us recall that this man who enjoyed such authority and power over all Muslims was the son of a slave. Nor is he the only such example; slaves and their children enjoyed enormous prestige, authority, respect and (shall we say it) freedom, within the Islamic system, in all areas of life, cultural as well as political. How could this have come about if the slavery that you so desperately try to label on our prophet was true? I could swell the list of examples to many thousands if I had the space, but you're likely to dismiss them as lies anyway so I won't bother.
SilverBalthazar (21 hours ago)
Seeking freedom for enslaved people is one of the causes for which the banner of war may be raised in Islam. Muslims were encouraged by their faith to enter into agreements and contracts which enabled slaves to earn or be granted their freedom at the expiry of a certain term or, most typically, on the death of the owner. Unconditional emancipation was, naturally, regarded as the most meritorious kind, and worthiest of recognition in the life hereafter. There were occasions when whole groups of people, acting together, would buy and set free large numbers of slaves in order to obtain thereby the favor of God.
SilverBalthazar (21 hours ago)
"And Emancipation is the benchmark that Muhammad simply did not reach."
Human freedom is by God, that is, it is the natural and proper condition which must be regarded as the norm. Thus, to restore a human life, wholly or partly, to this condition is one of the highest virtues. To set free half of a slaves body has been considered equal to saving half of ones own from wrath in the next world. In the same way to set free a slaves whole body is considered equal to assurance of ones whole body.
SilverBalthazar (21 hours ago)
Whosoever kills his slave: he shall be killed. Whosoever imprisons his slave and starves him, he shall be imprisoned and starved himself, and whosoever castrates his slave shall himself be castrated. (Abu Dawud, Diyat, 70; Tirmidhi, Diyat, 17; Al-Nasai, Qasama, 10, 16)

Your servants and your slaves are your brothers. Anyone who has slaves should give them from what he eats and wears. He should not charge them with work beyond their capabilities. If you must set them to hard work, in any case I advise you to help them. (Bukhari, Iman, 22; Adab, 44; Muslim, Iman, 3840; Abu Dawud, Adab, 124)
SilverBalthazar (21 hours ago)
It's gonna be a long one. You ready?

I'm not saying that the Prophet Muhammad never had slaves, but there's more to it than that. Islam amended and educated the institution of slavery and the attitudes of masters to slaves. The Prophet taught in many occasions that all human beings are descended from a single ancestor. And from the Prophets teaching, upon him be peace, the Muslims learned these principles, which they applied both as laws and as social norms.
rerhart585 (22 hours ago)
I can give you examples of manumission with slaves in western culture also. The west had something called Indentured servitude also. In the south, there are examples of House Slaves that were in essence more like shift foreman for the plantation, and were treated fairly well also.

My grandfather was brought up in a turn of the century orphanage. Prior to child labor laws, a turn of the century orphanage was really a workhouse. Fascinating story by the way.

But Manumission is not Emancipation. And Emancipation is the benchmark that Muhammad simply did not reach.
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